The same Vedic truth given to Arjuna is given to all persons in the world who pose themselves as very learned but factually have but a poor fund of knowledge. Na caiva na bhaviṣyāmaḥ: "It is not that in future also we shall not exist like this, Myself, yourself and all these." This statement of Kṛṣṇa's is authoritative because Kṛṣṇa cannot be subject to illusion. na tv evaham jatu nasam na tvam neme janadhipah na caiva na bhavisyamah sarve vayam atah param. When I say, I say, "I speak." Now, Krsna says that "In the past I existed. Because people may say, "How is that? A common man with all the four defects of human frailty is unable to teach that which is worth hearing. Those who are burying the body, just like the Christian, Mohammedans do, the body becomes earth. na tv evaham jatu nasam. PURPORT In all circumstances, the Lord and the living entities are individual personalities, and the personal features of both the Lord and living beings are never abolished; only the influence of the illusory energy, the reflection of light in the darkness, can, by the mercy of the Lord, be removed. This page was last edited on 15 May 2018, at 16:16. "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings, nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.". Bhîshma, Drona and the rest have come like true soldiers and kshatriyas to engage in battle. Thats the objective of this page ! Two negatives make one positive. This sarve means "we all," not that... Sarve is plural number. That Supreme Personality of Godhead is also, by His plenary portions, alive in the heart of every living entity. So we are also individual, and God is also individual person. Nor is the theory that we only think of individuality in the conditioned state supported herein. na tvam neme janadhipah. We never die, that will be explained later on more clearly, we do not die. Now in the battlefield the poor mercenaries, they go to give their life, whereas the janādhipāḥ, the leaders of the people, they sit down very comfortably. na tv evâham jâtu nâsam na tvam neme janâdhipâh na caiva na bhavishyâmah sarve vayam atah param. So out of those nine Upaniṣads, Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad, Taittireya Upaniṣad, Aitareya Upaniṣad, Īśopaniṣad, Īśa Upaniṣad, Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad, Māṇḍūkya Upaniṣad, Kaṭhopaniṣad, these Upaniṣads are very important. Click Here for Your Bhagavad Gita Starter Kit. Now sometimes we make some grammatical jugglery of words, but I cannot understand. Two negatives makes one positive. Translation, "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings, nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." When the puruṣa who worships, the living entity, thinks of becoming one with the Supreme person, he simply becomes bewildered and falls into the darkness of ignorance. Then where is oneness? |"na tv evaham jatu nasam" 2.12] Krsna is giving more enlightenment on the living entity, soul. Then? Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be. Pramāṇa means evidence. "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings" When you speak, the aham is applicable to you. If individuality were not a fact, then Kṛṣṇa would not have stressed it so much-even for the future. Nāsam. Not only I, but also Kṛṣṇa. Soul is ever-existing. So there is time factor, past, present and future, and in all these time factors I live as a person. "na tv-evaham jatu nasam na tvam neme janadhipah na chaiva na bhavisyamah sarve vayam atah param" (Bhagwat Gita: Chapter Two verse 12) "Sri Krishna said: In fact, there was never a time when I was not or did not exist, or you, or all these kings were not; nor it is a fact that in the future shall any of us cease to exist." The problem is why I am changing this position of eternity? This is very important subject matter. You get all information how to realize Brahman, ahaṁ brahmāsmi. Kṛṣṇa says that "At present we are individuals, and in the past we are individuals." How that, that we do not die?" dehino ‘smin yatha dehe kaumaram yauvanam jara tatha dehantara-praptir dhiras tatra na muhyati “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor … So Kṛṣṇa says, nāsam, na tv evāhaṁ jātu nāsaṁ na tvam: "Neither you nor I. You have marked it? That means we shall exist. So I existed as a person. The Gītā is above such literature. They were existing as individual souls. That is everyone knows. sarve vayam atah param. sarve vayam atah? He says clearly, "I, you, and all the Na caiva na bhaviṣyāmaḥ sarve... all of us. It is clearly mentioned in many places in the Gītā that this spiritual individuality is understood by those who are devotees of the Lord. "You, Me, and all these kings, they were existing—the individual. I am eternal. na tv evaham jatu nasam na tvam neme janadhipah na caiva na bhavisyamah sarve vayam atah param SYNONYMS na— never; tu— but; eva— certainly; aham— I; jatu— become; na— never; asam— existed; na— it is not so; tvam— yourself; na— not; ime— all these; janadhipah— kings; na— never; ca— also; eva— certainly; na— not like that; bhavisyamah— shall exist; sarve— all of us; vayam— we; atah param … Krishna says in the Bhagavad Gita that the soul is eternal i.e. na caiva na bhavisyamah. Now, here it is called sarve. I was Śrī Kṛṣṇa in the past also, and I am Śrī Kṛṣṇa at the present. from Bhagavad-Gita AS IT IS: (Copyright Bhaktivedanta Book Trust, Used with Permission) TEXT 12 na tv evaham jatu nasam na tvam neme janadhipah na caiva na bhavisyamah sarve vayam atah param WORD FOR WORD na--never; tu--but; eva--certainly; aham--I; jatu--at any time; na--did not; asam--exist; na--not; tvam--you; na--not; ime--all these; jana-adhipah--kings; na--never; ca--also; eva--certainly; na--not; … Aham means Śrī Kṛṣṇa Himself. So so long we are materially contaminated, we require this material body for enjoying senses. TRANSLATION Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be. That means "You existed, I existed, and all of them existed." Nor can the Gītā be touched by persons who envy the very existence of the Lord. Don't misinterpret. Now we should consider what is the problem now: I was present in the past, I am now present in the present, and I shall exist in the future. So what is "I," "you," and "others"? This is not new. So 'ham. But if you don't like, you can act. Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa is trying to convince Arjuna that death does not take place. We never die." The Buddhists maintain that the principle "I am" is the ultimate truth, but this excludes the individuality of "I" and "you." Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti kaunteya (BG 4.9). Now, this plural: "Myself," first person, "yourself," second person, "and these janādhipāḥ," third person. That is decided by superior authority. Kṛṣṇa affirms His individuality in the past and confirms His individuality in the future also. I am sanātana. TEXT 2.12. na tv evaham jatu nasam na tvam neme janadhipah na caiva na bhavisyamah sarve vayam atah param Kṛṣṇa says, mamaivāṁśo jīva-bhūtaḥ jīva-loke sanātanaḥ (BG 15.7). So in the future, don't think that we may not exist. But because the ghost does not get this material body they are invisible. Just like we are sitting together. How odd thing Kṛṣṇa is speaking, that na tv evāhaṁ jātu nāsaṁ na tvaṁ neme janādhipāḥ." Just as we exist in the present so we have existed in the past and shall continue to exist in the future. That is the real existence, that I am Brahman. So when we speak of dharma, according to Vedic understanding, dharma means your characteristic which you cannot change. Devotee: "In fact, there was never..." "Arjuna, you grieve over those who should not be grieved for, and yet speak like the learned wise men who do not sorrow over the dead or the living. na tv evaham jatu nasam na tvam neme janadhipah na caiva na bhavisyamah sarve vayam atah param. Now, here it is clearly stated by the Supreme Personality of Godhead that na tu eva ahaṁ jātu (BG 2.12). So you are eternal, as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, Second Chapter, text number 12: Kṛṣṇa says that "Both Arjuna, you, Me and all these persons, the soldiers and the kings who are assembled in this Battlefield of Kurukṣetra, don't think that they did not exist in the past nor they will not exist in the future." In this verse the words puruṣam abhajat puruṣarṣabhaḥ are significant: puruṣarṣabha refers to Mahārāja Pṛthu, the best amongst human beings, and puruṣam refers to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. One puruṣa is worshipable, and the other puruṣa is the worshiper. It is not the body, but Kṛṣṇa is speaking about the soul. Second Chapter, eleventh verse. Actually, if we become Kṛṣṇa conscious, then after giving up this body, we are no more going to accept any material body. na tv evaham jatu nasam na tvam neme janadhipah na caiva na bhavisyamah sarve vayam atah param Now we are reading Second Chapter. So where there is oneness? na kascit kartum arhati In the Vedas, in the Kaṭha Upaniṣad as well as in the Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad, it is said that the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the maintainer of innumerable living entities, in terms of their different situations according to individual work and reaction of work. He says "I also remain as person. Under this heading you have proved yourself to become a mūḍha. The Lord says clearly that He Himself, Arjuna and all the kings who are assembled on the battlefield are eternally individual beings and that the Lord is eternally the maintainer of the individual living entities both in their conditioned and in their liberated situations. There is no end. As stated by Lord Kṛṣṇa in Bhagavad-gītā (2.12), all living entities assembled in the battlefield, as well as Kṛṣṇa Himself, were also present in the past as individuals and would continue to be present in the future as individuals also. Harinamasankirtana. Now why you are worrying about next life? Those who are envious of Kṛṣṇa as the Supreme Personality of Godhead have no bona fide access to the great literature. Prabhupāda: No, no. Arjuna! We are seeing that we are existing. That is not in your hand. It was existing in the past, it is existing now, and it will continue to exist in the future. That is the difference. Where is the difficulty to understand? Hari-śauri: Na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre (BG 2.20)? The body has changed now. Hṛdayānanda: (Spanish) (translates into Spanish throughout lecture). na tv evâham jâtu nâsam na tvam neme janâdhipâh na caiva na bhavishyâmah sarve vayam atah param. Purport: "In the Vedas, in the Kaṭha Upaniṣad, as well as in the Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad, it is said that...". We existed in the past in different bodies, and after the annihilation of this body we shall exist in another body. Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be. Kadācit means "at any time." Yathecchasi tathā kuru. Ghost is also individual. At night we see everything as one in the darkness, but in daytime, when the sun is up, we see everything in its real identity. The Māyāvādī argues that the plurality mentioned in this verse is conventional and that it refers to the body. na tv evaham jatu nasam na tvam neme janadhipah na caiva na bhavisyamah sarve vayam atah param "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." [B.G. Nāsam: "Not that we did not exist." Therefore, individuality is maintained on spiritual grounds and is thus confirmed by great ācāryas like Śrī Rāmānuja and others. When one accepts Kṛṣṇa as an ordinary man, the Gītā loses all importance. "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you." Nor shall we ever cease to exist in the future. Evening Darsana -- July 7, 1976, Washington, D.C. Letter to Sai Baba -- September 13, 1976, Vrndavana, Evening Darsana -- February 19, 1977, Mayapura, https://vaniquotes.org/w/index.php?title=BG_02.12_na_tv_evaham_jatu_nasam..._cited&oldid=756486, BG 02.12 na tv evaham jatu nasam... cited. This beautiful body, nice body, will become earth. The Supreme Personality of Godhead is the supreme individual person, and Arjuna, the Lord's eternal associate, and all the kings assembled there are individual eternal persons. How we can change this conclusion? Ahaṁ brahmāsmi. param Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be. At any time. This is confirmed in the Second Chapter of the Bhagavad-gītā (2.12), wherein the Lord says: "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.". This Māyāvādī theory that after liberation we shall all become one with God, that is not mentioned here. So it is our business to see what kind of body we shall get next life. (Bg. So Kṛṣṇa began His teaching to Arjuna, chastising him that "You do not know anything; still, you are talking like a learned man." No mundane book compares with the Bhagavad-gītā. They existed in the past. Ofcourse, the body if formed again and again as mentioned in nobalG's answer.. Krsna clearly says herein that in the future also the individuality of the Lord and others, as it is confirmed in the, Paintings, photos and posters of Krishna, the Supreme Lord, Everything you need to practice Krishna consciousness at home. Since the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the supreme consciousness, it is stated herein that saṁjñāna-mātram, the original consciousness, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, was unmanifested before the creation, although the consciousness of the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the origin of everything. Therefore, there is no cause for lamentation for anyone. But that does not mean because there is a common understanding of myself between you and me, therefore I... Now that I and you become one. Individual, there is. TRANSLATION. You see? |"na caiva na bhavisyamah" And in the present, we are now face to face. The nondevotee's approach to the teachings of the Gītā is something like that of a bee licking on a bottle of honey. We shall remain like that." Na tv evaham jatu nasam. Collaborate with us to invoke and fully manifest Srila Prabhupada's Vani-presence, Expressions researched: Everything, from the earth it has come up: "Dust thou were, dust thou beist." Śabda-pramāṇa. Therefore, the Māyāvādī explanation of the Gītā is a most misleading presentation of the whole truth. na tv evaham jatu nasam na twam neme janadhipah na chaiva na bhavisyamah sarve vayam atah param (Srimad Bhagavad-gita: 2.12) “Never was there a time when you, I or all these kings did not exist. Arjuna is simply via media. That means "In the past, I, you, and all of them, they individually existed." That does not mean this "I" and that "I" becomes one. If I do that, then I shall deceive you. So Śrī Kṛṣṇa says like that, na tu aham. Neither this soldier." But we die, we are ordinary living entities." Śabda-pramāṇa. Na bhaviṣyāmaḥ. So our personality continues, past, present and future. The Lord says in Bhagavad-gītā (2.12), "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." At any time. You Arjuna, you also person, I am also person, and all these soldiers and kings who have assembled, they are also persons." Not that if Kṛṣṇa's body is eternal, the finger is also eternal. Jātu kadācit. Thus the Lord's person is the Absolute Truth in the past, present and future. But previous to this verse such a bodily conception is already condemned. vinasam avyayasyasya. And those who are burning, so their body becomes ashes. That means present, you can see. The real source of light is the brahma-jyotir, which diffuses light from the transcendental body of the Lord, and the same light is reflected in varieties of light: the light of the sun, the light of the moon, the light of fire, or the light of electricity. No. Chapter 2: Contents of the Gītā Summarized TEXT 13 He, if you do not introduce your so-called foolish scholarship, then you get actually back to home, back to Godhead, by simply studying Bhagavad-gītā. This is going on. Therefore, there is no cause for lamentation for anyone. If there is no "I" and "you," or individuality, there is no possibility of argument. That is Māyāvāda. Maybe we have taken birth again, but everyone dies. Actually we are not, but it is because we are, at the present moment, we are educated as first-class rascals and fools, we are thinking that "I am this body." In the material world, the light of the sun is also not independent, nor is that of the moon. 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